apples ipads and iphones sold a lot but the profit margin was slim. is this a company story where the company is in trouble after the great steve jobs has passed snarp. >> it feels that way, larry. we've got this darling-to-dog story we've seen so often notice tech space. we have a gadget company in the tech space that's struggling with margins on its gadgets and a lot of the worst fears that they would face other gadgets from other kinds of companies seem to be coming to pass, but the service tech companies like google and netflix, they're all of a sudden out there increasing share. >> knock the cover off the ball. >> knock the cover on. and as long as you have a razor blade story and not a razor story, i think that's the difference peer. >> dave goldman, am i wrong? sometimes ji am very wrong. does this forecast a stronger american economy, even a moderately stronger economy? >> absolutely not. i was a raging bull in 2012. i'm neutral on it. the s&p is trading tick for tick with liquidity measures, such as inflation expectations. >> that's what i ta